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This week's guest was Issa Rae, co-creator of Insecure, producer of American Fiction and One of Them Days, founder of HOORAE Media, and this month's Variety Entertainment Entrepreneur of the Year. She's also my business partner. We co-founded Ensemble together, so you're not getting a neutral host this week. You're getting someone who has watched her make decisions up close and still had questions about a few of them.

In 2011, before anyone in the business treated a web series as a credential, Issa put an end card on The Misadventures of Awkward Black Girl that read "Issa Rae Presents." She told me she didn't use "Productions" because she didn't think she'd earned it yet. The company was in the plan from the first upload.

So was the money model. Even before Awkward Black Girl, she figured brands might want to plug into the web series she was making. A friend who was trying to become an agent told her plainly that it wasn't a thing, and at the time the friend was right. Nobody was buying online video that way.

Fifteen years later, her company makes premium television under a first-look deal at Paramount, and in April it signed a co-production and distribution deal with TikTok for vertical microdramas. She's one of very few people working at full strength on both sides of that line, and she got there by learning every job herself because nobody had written down how to do it.

I asked her whether attention is finite, or whether it can keep getting sliced thinner. Her answer is the best framing of my own thesis that I've heard from someone else.

There are two kinds of attention, she said. One is the kind you spend to pass the time, and you may not remember it tomorrow. The other is the kind you budget for: the dinner you planned, the movie you cleared the night for. That second kind is completely finite, which is exactly why it's valuable. It's also why she gets more offended when something she budgeted for turns out to be bad.

Then she made the point that matters for anyone making content. Audiences currently give pass-the-time content a lot of grace. That grace is an opening. When something on the feed turns out to be good, people move it into the budgeted category, and it starts earning the kind of attention that used to belong only to television.

If you're a CMO: the useful question about your short-form work is whether anyone would come back for the next one on purpose. Views tell you it was watched. Return visits tell you it was budgeted.

People assume short means easy. Issa says the opposite. A microdrama is more formulaic than a film, with tropes and beats that have to land down to the second, because the data shows exactly where an audience leaves if nothing happens in the first twelve seconds. She doesn't look to other microdramas for inspiration. She looks to soap operas, because as she put it, that's what you're making.

The surprise came when I asked about features. She's been bored by studio films lately because so many follow the same template, and she traces that straight to shrinking audiences and the pressure to make safe bets. Her explanation of why she'd currently choose the short formula over the long one is worth hearing in full, and it's one of the more honest things a filmmaker at her level will say on the record.

Screen Time, her TikTok thriller, came close to 75 million views in its first week. Her next one, The Compatibility Experiment, is pacing ahead of that. Here is the part of the story most coverage missed.

HOORAE went to brands first with a budget and a plan. But they didn't yet understand the model and nobody had proven it yet. I said on air what every producer in this space already knows: every brand wants something that's never been done before, until it's their turn to be first.

So she paid for the first 27 episodes herself and treated them as the pilot. The plan was to release them and show brands what the thing actually was. TikTok saw it early and came in. How that decision played out, and what it taught her about who has to take the first risk, is the part to listen for.

If you're a CMO: in a new format, the pilot is the whole first season. If you wait for proof, you'll be paying for someone else's.

Most of the microdrama business makes money by charging viewers to unlock episodes or by selling subscriptions. HOORAE chose not to. Her reasons were practical. People are tired of subscriptions (she admits she cancels hers the moment her show ends), a new company doesn't have enough volume to keep paying viewers around, and the real goal was to show audiences what a HOORAE story looks like. That meant making it as easy to watch as possible, so it runs ad-supported on TikTok and PineDrama, with brands built in.

The side effect she didn't expect was the comments. On YouTube in 2011, she waited ten minutes to an hour between comments. On TikTok, people were commenting in real time and replying to each other, and it felt to her like watching a theater audience react live. One comment she quoted sums up where the bar sits now: "How'd Netflix get on my TikTok?"

Here's the original thought, and it comes from a line Issa almost tossed away.

I've written in this newsletter about the two clocks: the appointment clock is what audiences make time for, and the ambient clock is what they pass time with. Most of the industry treats those as two separate businesses. Television and film chase the appointment. The feed farms the ambient. The microdrama apps took ambient viewing and put a paywall in front of it.

When I asked Issa what she wants from Screen Time, she said she wants people to look forward to it, carve out the time, and mark the next release on their calendar. That's an appointment. She's making work for the ambient clock and building it to earn a spot on the appointment clock.

That's the real opportunity in this format, and it explains her warning. She thinks microdramas are a bubble that will pop if nobody innovates, because if every series can be found anywhere and looks like every other one, there's no reason to come back. The series that last will be the ones that move up a clock.

The rest of the conversation points the same way. She thinks Hollywood is nostalgic for the bundle because the bundle produced monoculture, and monoculture paid. She thinks sports are thriving because they're the last thing we all watch together that still feels real. And watching thousands of people react to Screen Time at the same moment felt to her like the closest thing to monoculture she's seen on a phone. On air she put the series at half a billion views, and she was quick to add that plenty of people still haven't heard of it. That's still a lot of people watching the same thing at the same time.

The platforms are moving toward that idea. YouTube just added native support for episodic series, microdramas included. Issa described Netflix as trying to become YouTube. Both are building systems that let something found while scrolling turn into something people follow week to week.

The money follows that move. Pass-the-time attention will always be cheap because there's so much of it. Budgeted attention is scarce, and it gets priced accordingly. Whoever can reliably turn the first kind into the second, at feed-level production costs, ends up holding the most valuable part of the business.

She also reminded me that the genre exists because of the shape of a phone. Ask her what format she wants to be early to next, and her answer is a few years ahead of most of the industry.

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